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The event was introduced and chaired by Robert Webb, of environmental consultants XC02. Proposing the motion was Doug Parr, Chief Scientist from Greenpeace, with Stephen Molloy of West Coast Energy seconding him. Ann West of Country Guardian supported by Kyle Blue opposed the motion. A count of hands was taken which showed a majority in favour of the motion at the start of the debate. The debate lasted for about an hour and a half with the four speakers presenting for ten minutes each. First to present a case was Doug Parr who provided a global context in terms of climate change issues for the use of wind power. This was followed by Ann West’s more local approach to rejection of existing and proposed wind farms in Wales and throughout the UK. The generality of the macro picture presented by Doug was reinforced with more specific data and examples presented by Stephen Molloy who frankly discussed that wind power was only one of a palette of renewable energy options that we should be looking to adopt if we are to meet C02 reduction targets and address climate change issues. Like Ann West, Kyle Blue was specifically concerned with the immediate local environmental impact that wind farms have in terms of ‘defacing’ our countryside. Kyle provided a power-point presentation showing some of the proposed and existing wind farm sites in Cumbria. He argued as did Ann that the farms were inefficient, an eyesore and only existed due to government subsidy, which was usually paid to foreign windmill manufacturers who were only interested in profit and not their local communities. Both Ann and Kyle also objected to the fact that they believed wind power was still more expensive than energy produced from existing power stations. During a sometimes emotional presentation from the opposing team, various facts and figures contesting the value of wind energy and its efficiency were stated. These figures were disputed by the team proposing the motion. Unfortunately from the audience point of view, it was quite difficult to keep track of all the figures being touted and it appeared that many were actually taken out of context, but without an ability to examine them it was difficult to make any kind of judgement relating to them. This promoted an audience response of some confusion and request for further clarification of many of the figures together with a more heart felt retaliation against wind farms being opposed on purely aesthetic grounds. Those opposing the motion argued that a viable alternative to wind power would potentially be wave power but more significantly nuclear, they also made the case for us using current energy supplies more efficiently. This was a view also supported by the host. Members of the audience and the Greenpeace team disagreed with the nuclear proposals, citing inherent dangers associated with the production of nuclear power and disposal of spent fuel as grounds, but they agreed with a need for greater efficiency in the use of power. They also re-iterated that wind power should be just one of a number of renewable energy options that we would need to utilise. They also pointed out that wind power is still a developing technology and like all other energy sources before it, should justly be supported by Government subsidy, and that it had the advantage over conventional power generation methods in its lack of production of pollutants and damage to the environment through the constant use of fossil fuels. There was dispute about the exact number of windmills that would actually be required to meet energy requirements, with the opposing team believing that the Government would allow much of our countryside to be turned over to wind farms that would produce insignificant amounts of energy. Stephen Molloy argued that the numbers of windmills currently required to meet Government targets were quantifiable to the tune of about 1500 onshore and 2000 offshore and that they would function as part of a larger energy system which would also utilise other power generation methods. As with all debates this one could have lasted much longer. It ended with a final count of hands that showed no change in the majority consensus supporting the motion. The debate was successful in stimulating further questioning of the issues, but it probably left more questions unanswered than answered. 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